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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dianne -- I&#039;ve semi-been in the scenario you wrote about (grin).  I think you captured the emotional essence well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dianne &#8212; I&#8217;ve semi-been in the scenario you wrote about (grin).  I think you captured the emotional essence well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelley --

Oh. Meant to say that you didn&#039;t make a big thing about the POV thing. I find it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelley &#8211;</p>
<p>Oh. Meant to say that you didn&#8217;t make a big thing about the POV thing. I find it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelley --

It&#039;s just an exercise: I appreciate your insight. One of the hardest things about prose -- and probably the reason I stopped writing -- was trying to figure out what to leave in and what to leave out. 

One of the things I learned writing scripts (and having lots of people read my work) is that it isn&#039;t always the writer&#039;s choice. If the writer hasn&#039;t communicated to the reader, s/he&#039;s failed. If the reader stumbles over the words, if they take the reader out of the story...

As Brandi Carlisle sings, &quot;These stories don&#039;t mean anything when you&#039;ve got no one to tell them to.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelley &#8211;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just an exercise: I appreciate your insight. One of the hardest things about prose &#8212; and probably the reason I stopped writing &#8212; was trying to figure out what to leave in and what to leave out. </p>
<p>One of the things I learned writing scripts (and having lots of people read my work) is that it isn&#8217;t always the writer&#8217;s choice. If the writer hasn&#8217;t communicated to the reader, s/he&#8217;s failed. If the reader stumbles over the words, if they take the reader out of the story&#8230;</p>
<p>As Brandi Carlisle sings, &#8220;These stories don&#8217;t mean anything when you&#8217;ve got no one to tell them to.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dianne -- I think what you&#039;re doing in the scene is fine, and I didn&#039;t mean to make a big deal of POV per se.  But that little beat bumped me, and so I was trying to figure out why.  I was in Brian&#039;s head as he watched Tracy see the waiter, and then because he noticed her hesitation, I &quot;saw&quot; it too, and went there myself, and knew exactly what was going on (as did he). It&#039;s a subtle thing, and you did a great job with it: I think you just needed one less layer, if that makes more sense.  

But you know, on stuff like this it really comes down to the writer&#039;s choice of what information is relevant/important.   Either way, it&#039;s a nice scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dianne &#8212; I think what you&#8217;re doing in the scene is fine, and I didn&#8217;t mean to make a big deal of POV per se.  But that little beat bumped me, and so I was trying to figure out why.  I was in Brian&#8217;s head as he watched Tracy see the waiter, and then because he noticed her hesitation, I &#8220;saw&#8221; it too, and went there myself, and knew exactly what was going on (as did he). It&#8217;s a subtle thing, and you did a great job with it: I think you just needed one less layer, if that makes more sense.  </p>
<p>But you know, on stuff like this it really comes down to the writer&#8217;s choice of what information is relevant/important.   Either way, it&#8217;s a nice scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo --

You&#039;re doing great. My rule of thumb is to insert the name only when it becomes unclear who&#039;s doing what or when you need to draw specific attention to what a particular person is doing. If you&#039;ve got a man and a woman in a scene, you may only need to use names every few paragraphs; with two women (or more than two characters), more frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo &#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing great. My rule of thumb is to insert the name only when it becomes unclear who&#8217;s doing what or when you need to draw specific attention to what a particular person is doing. If you&#8217;ve got a man and a woman in a scene, you may only need to use names every few paragraphs; with two women (or more than two characters), more frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly --

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever considered POV (or heard / recognized POV discussed) in this context / with this specificity. (Nicola pointed out that I shifted POV in a previous exercise as well.)

Not sure I quite get it, but it might click down the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly &#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever considered POV (or heard / recognized POV discussed) in this context / with this specificity. (Nicola pointed out that I shifted POV in a previous exercise as well.)</p>
<p>Not sure I quite get it, but it might click down the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ everyone -- Speaking of holdover habits, please let me know if I am repeating characters&#039; names too often.  This is a trick used in human services; by the time you&#039;ve read the fifth client file of the day, the pronouns blur and you can&#039;t remember which info went with whom.  Restating the name every couple of sentences keeps case managers clear on people&#039;s details. I still do it automatically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ everyone &#8212; Speaking of holdover habits, please let me know if I am repeating characters&#8217; names too often.  This is a trick used in human services; by the time you&#8217;ve read the fifth client file of the day, the pronouns blur and you can&#8217;t remember which info went with whom.  Restating the name every couple of sentences keeps case managers clear on people&#8217;s details. I still do it automatically.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dianne -- I like this.  Poor old Brian :)  You&#039;ve done a good job with the details and the flow, the emotional alignment of the dialogue and action: so I encourage you to trust that it works without a couple of the small &quot;explanations&quot; that you&#039;ve snuck into it.  

Here&#039;s how I would streamline:

&lt;em&gt;The waiter was a good-looking college student with slicked-back hair and a pretty mouth, and when Tracy handed him her menu, she hesitated&lt;del datetime=&quot;2009-12-13T19:15:21+00:00&quot;&gt; — exchanging not-so-covert smiles —&lt;/del&gt; before relinquishing it.&lt;/em&gt;

You had &quot;drinks by the pool&quot; to lead into this, along with the cues of &quot;good-looking&quot; and &quot;pretty mouth.&quot;  You don&#039;t need the smiles -- we&#039;ll know why she hesitates.  For that sentence, even though we&#039;re in Brian&#039;s POV, you&#039;ve set up the mirror-neuron trigger so we&#039;re in Tracy&#039;s experience for that single moment of sexual tension.  The &quot;not-so-covert&quot; description brings us back into Brian&#039;s POV from an intellectual perspective and dilutes the nice moment between Tracy and the waiter.

Also --

&lt;em&gt;“Oh…” She sipped at her wine, her eyes &lt;del datetime=&quot;2009-12-13T19:15:21+00:00&quot;&gt;surreptitiously &lt;/del&gt;scanning the room behind him.&lt;/em&gt;

We&#039;re in his POV, so it&#039;s not surreptitious if he notices it; and again, we already get her behavior.  We don&#039;t need the &quot;pointer&quot; to interpret it.  I wonder if this might be a holdover habit from screenwriting, in which those pointers are necessary because there&#039;s no narrative prose component to set context?

Nice job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dianne &#8212; I like this.  Poor old Brian :)  You&#8217;ve done a good job with the details and the flow, the emotional alignment of the dialogue and action: so I encourage you to trust that it works without a couple of the small &#8220;explanations&#8221; that you&#8217;ve snuck into it.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I would streamline:</p>
<p><em>The waiter was a good-looking college student with slicked-back hair and a pretty mouth, and when Tracy handed him her menu, she hesitated<del datetime="2009-12-13T19:15:21+00:00"> — exchanging not-so-covert smiles —</del> before relinquishing it.</em></p>
<p>You had &#8220;drinks by the pool&#8221; to lead into this, along with the cues of &#8220;good-looking&#8221; and &#8220;pretty mouth.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t need the smiles &#8212; we&#8217;ll know why she hesitates.  For that sentence, even though we&#8217;re in Brian&#8217;s POV, you&#8217;ve set up the mirror-neuron trigger so we&#8217;re in Tracy&#8217;s experience for that single moment of sexual tension.  The &#8220;not-so-covert&#8221; description brings us back into Brian&#8217;s POV from an intellectual perspective and dilutes the nice moment between Tracy and the waiter.</p>
<p>Also &#8211;</p>
<p><em>“Oh…” She sipped at her wine, her eyes <del datetime="2009-12-13T19:15:21+00:00">surreptitiously </del>scanning the room behind him.</em></p>
<p>We&#8217;re in his POV, so it&#8217;s not surreptitious if he notices it; and again, we already get her behavior.  We don&#8217;t need the &#8220;pointer&#8221; to interpret it.  I wonder if this might be a holdover habit from screenwriting, in which those pointers are necessary because there&#8217;s no narrative prose component to set context?</p>
<p>Nice job.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kelley - Late or no, that does make sense.  Nicola explained it to me very similarly.  It takes things awhile to percolate through my swiss-cheese brain, so I need to take what you both have told me and do some serious work with it.  Thank you for your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kelley &#8211; Late or no, that does make sense.  Nicola explained it to me very similarly.  It takes things awhile to percolate through my swiss-cheese brain, so I need to take what you both have told me and do some serious work with it.  Thank you for your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy ordered in French. Brian assumed she was asking about the soup du jour; she might easily have been suggesting drinks by the pool. The waiter was a good-looking college student with slicked-back hair and a pretty mouth, and when Tracy handed him her menu, she hesitated — exchanging not-so-covert smiles — before relinquishing it.

Brian scanned words he couldn’t pronounce without humiliating himself and asked for the fillet and a salad. He adjusted the napkin in his lap while Tracy’s eyes followed the waiter’s butt into the kitchen.

“Happy anniversary,” he said, trying to sound upbeat.

She blinked, raised an eyebrow.

“Our first kiss. One year ago tonight.”

“Oh...” She sipped at her wine, her eyes surreptitiously scanning the room behind him.

“I thought women remembered that kind of thing.”

She shrugged. “Some do.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy ordered in French. Brian assumed she was asking about the soup du jour; she might easily have been suggesting drinks by the pool. The waiter was a good-looking college student with slicked-back hair and a pretty mouth, and when Tracy handed him her menu, she hesitated — exchanging not-so-covert smiles — before relinquishing it.</p>
<p>Brian scanned words he couldn’t pronounce without humiliating himself and asked for the fillet and a salad. He adjusted the napkin in his lap while Tracy’s eyes followed the waiter’s butt into the kitchen.</p>
<p>“Happy anniversary,” he said, trying to sound upbeat.</p>
<p>She blinked, raised an eyebrow.</p>
<p>“Our first kiss. One year ago tonight.”</p>
<p>“Oh&#8230;” She sipped at her wine, her eyes surreptitiously scanning the room behind him.</p>
<p>“I thought women remembered that kind of thing.”</p>
<p>She shrugged. “Some do.”</p>
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